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PostSubject: Help with VSR-10 Upgrades    Sun Oct 31, 2010 1:17 pm

So I might be getting some money soon and I want to buy and upgrade the TM VSR-10 Please help.


VSR-10 G-Spec:
http://www.tokyo-model.com.hk/ecshop/goods.php?id=1005

I want to buy a PDI 6.01 inner barrel(554mm):
http://www.tokyo-model.com.hk/ecshop/goods.php?id=3946

And I'm going to get the bull barrel upgrades:

Bull Barrel Base
http://www.tokyo-model.com.hk/ecshop/goods.php?id=4367

Now here's the problem. I want to buy the P-flute barrel(takes 430mm inner barrel)
http://www.tntsniperproshop.com/product.detail_338936_en_1606786

And I want to put in the 554mm inner barrel and use the silencer to cover the rest of the inner barrel.

I don't know if the silencer that the G-Spec comes with is long enough to cover the whole inner barrel (Since I'm buying the bull barrel I need a bull barrel cap)
http://www.tokyo-model.com.hk/ecshop/goods.php?id=4818

I don't know if that cap has threads for the silencer or if I need some different type of barrel cap(Has to be for bull barrel)

If anything I can just get the tornado L flute that is made to fit the 554mm

Help me please Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Help with VSR-10 Upgrades    Sun Oct 31, 2010 4:39 pm

I really hate to break it to you dude, but the general thinking is that the Gspec barely benifits from upgrades.

Just so you know I have a TM Gspec and I will go over what I think about the rifle in general and what the pros and cons are in my mind. Below the pros and cons (at least in my mind) is the suggested way to use the Gspec in the way it works best.



Pros:
Hopup adjustment can be done in the field because the hopup adjustment is on the outside of the rifle.

The Gspec is considered a "silent killer" as it is in general the most silent sniper rifle. (I can say this is true because I took a shot then banged out someone who walked right infront of me two seconds later because he didn't even hear it fire)

If you do not run a bipod or sling on it then the weight is very light but the externals still are strong enough to not break from minor bumps like some rifles.

The inner barrel is already a "tightbore" unless your willing to buy one in the range of 150+ you aren't getting a better inner barrel than it has stock anyways.

Magazines are easy to get (most l96 special mags are sold out currently in most online stores)

The TM quality on this rifle makes it outshoot, or least on par, with sniper rifles with hundreds of dollars in upgrades.



Cons:
The fact that when you start doing upgrades that the rifle loses that silent quality that makes it such a good scout sniper.

The silencer needs to be on it or the rifle looks terrible and also the inner barrel does not go into the silencer at all and thus is worthless.

You cannot get a zero trigger in this rifle unless you are willing to do custom work that will include cutting the rifles reciever and taking out the safety.

As far as long range shots I put my scope at only 3-3.5 times magnifiy because anything over that you will never get a accurate view of what shots you can make.

Using custom bbs over .30 does not increase accuracy enough because of the light spring even when upgraded to around 400 fps.



The suggested use of a Tokyo Marui Gspec.
This is a scout rifle and not a sniper rifle. If you want to be in the back trying to pick off people at range I do not think this is the best option for you as it will leave you wanting. If you want to use comms and get intel for your team this will work great. This is a really good rifle to use in a two man team. When you and a partner can sneak into behind the enemy the silence and range of this rifle can make shots that cause the enemy to looks around and say "What the F**K, where did that come from?" You can cause massive confusion from using this as a scout rifle especially if your partner is maybe using a spring shotgun to keep yourselves silent. This rifle is for someone who wants to play a more milspec scout sniper role.
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PostSubject: Re: Help with VSR-10 Upgrades    Sun Oct 31, 2010 10:49 pm

Actually, if I get the long inner barrel(554mm) and put on the P flute bull barrel (fits 430mm inner barrels) it will extend but Idk if the G-spec silencer is long enough. Upgrades actually do help, a lot. They allow me to be more consistent with more power instead of shots ranging from 400-550 with a
ss 2000 spring, It'd narrow the range from maybe 480-550(just an example not sure if thats what I'd use) The point is to increase the fps a bit maybe to 450, 480ish or so and keep the shots consistent, not to put on the SS5000 and get 650fps shots every once in a while.

And I don't know much about the Zero Trigger, but will look into it. I actually wanted the AWS l96 but theres no Zero trigger (yet; hopefully) and I wouldn't want to fuck with the sears or anything.

But dude thanks for the help.
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PostSubject: Re: Help with VSR-10 Upgrades    Mon Nov 01, 2010 12:10 am

You should have read what I posted a little more. The barrel upgrade wont help as much as you think. For instance there is a guy on airsoftforum trying to sell a highly upgraded TM Gspec and half the responses are kinda harsh telling him his upgrades were about the same or only slightly better than the gspec stock. Because it is hard to put a zero trigger into the gspec you are going to have a tough time pulling a spring if it is shooting around 550 and you also then have a minimum engagement distance of 50 feet (unless you wanna be the asshole that tries to shoot people with a gun that hot withen 20 feet). If I come to the trail to play before you make a purchase I will bring two sniper rifles, the gspec and a l96, and you can see the difference first hand.
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PostSubject: Re: Help with VSR-10 Upgrades    Mon Nov 01, 2010 8:38 am

Awesome, I'd love to try them out.

Edit: I'm going to try and make it this saturday.
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PostSubject: Re: Help with VSR-10 Upgrades    Mon Nov 01, 2010 12:35 pm

the zero triggers its not out of stock yet, i recently bought one of red dragon airsoft, honestly i don't know how that sniper handles, but i have heard stories from the little noise it makes, i like my l96 its nice for trails and the mountain games its accurate and shoots very far, besides i think its better to upgrade the shooter then the sniper Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Help with VSR-10 Upgrades    Mon Nov 01, 2010 1:09 pm

The silence is the real purpose of the rifle. If you mess with it too much it loses that or you have to buy one of the $200 zero triggers that are made for low noise, but at that point you might have as well bought the cheapest vsr 10 you can find and just put the kit in.

Basically unless your willing to drop about $500+the base gun you aren't really getting hardly any more range or accuracy. I say around 500 because of the fact that once you upgrade the spring you need a new piston/spring guide to handle it. Then you need the trigger/sear so you don't snap it from the increase in pressure. Then you need to replace the bolt so you don't snap it as well. After all that you may have gotten another 20-50 ft of range and you have to hope that none of your parts ever break or you rack the bolt back too hard.
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PostSubject: Re: Help with VSR-10 Upgrades    Mon Nov 01, 2010 6:22 pm

Holy crap there are a lot of misconceptions in this thread....

Now, I am not saying I am an elitist god of sniping or anything, but I have had my fair share of sniper rifles. i.e. APS2 SV, VSR-10 Pro, VSR-10 Gspec, and a JG Bar-10. All upgraded to the max. I have used Laylax, PDI, as well as Polar Star and I will try to help out the Op to the best I can.

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First of all, why are you buying the Gspec model if you are going to be changing Outer Barrel. Is it just for the rail and the Mock suppressor?

Secondly, why not get the JG Bar-10, get the TM precision hop-up chamber which is better than the one that comes in the VSR-10, and use the remainder towards the upgrades. If you go with the Pro version, you only need a silencer and won't need to buy a whole new outer barrel. A 554mm barrel is only 124mm longer than the pro version, which is about the length of a pistol barrel.

Thirdly, Zero triggers aren't made for low noise. They are made with reinforced sears that also allow for a lighter trigger pull. The ONLY sound that is made is when the piston makes contact with the cylinder head and the air behind the bb leaves the muzzle. That is it.

Lastly, get a 280% spring and get the PDI washers to adjust it to as close to 500 fps as you want. Keep in mind the TB also increases your fps as well though. The SS2000 will make you shoot way over 500 fps.


So onto the upgrades....

What are you trying to accomplish? From what I have read you want an accurized bolt action that is under 500 fps. Correct?

Barrels: You can get an Edgi or PDI tightbore barrel. Contrary to what some people say, the tightbore and bucking upgrade is the first upgrade you should put into a rifle. A GOOD quality tightbore is what you want though. Edgi and PDI is pretty much what you should look at then. PDI is amazing, the only downside is the price. If price isn't a problem, then go for it. Edgi is made of high quality brass. It needs cleaning more often, is slightly less durable than stainless steel, but will be just as accurate. An Edgi TB is also half the cost.

Bucking: Pretty much the overall best bucking other than a stock TM bucking is the Nineball bucking. Or you can check out Noobies bucking linked below...

INTERNALS: You want to stay with the same company when it comes to the cylinder components. If you mix companies, you may have issues down the line.

Cylinder Set: I have used PDI, Laylax, as well as polarstar, and PDI and polarstar have been the best. I would truthfully recommend a PDI cylinder set, either the hard set for increased durability or the Vacuum set which you may have to go with if you install a 554mm length tightbore. The vacuum piston prevents negative back pressure caused by the extended tightbore which would have affected the accuracy of the rifle otherwise.

Trigger: There are 3 triggers you can go with as well; PDI V trigger, Laylax Zero Trigger, and Noobies M-trigger. The only modification you may have to do is on the trigger guard on the first 3 runs of Noobies M-trigger. You do not need to modify any reciever.

I would recommend Noobies M-trigger if you can wait until he releases another batch, but make sure you buy it when it comes out. They sell out fast. If you don't want to wait, then buy a PDI trigger. It has an adjustable trigger pull as well.



Now my last thing is whether you should get a JG or a TM. It is all on you as far as what you want. By the end of it, if you get the PDI outer barrel, the only thing stock would be the reciever and the stock. As funny as it may seem though, but the JG has a much better stock as well. It has a rubberized finish while the TM stock feels plastiky and toyish-like. Many people sometimes get a boneyard bar-10 for like $50 and then get all the parts. You will end up replacing most of the parts any way.

As I said before, it is all your money, but I have been down the road before many times and I am just trying to point you in the right direction. Let me know if you have any other questions.

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PostSubject: Re: Help with VSR-10 Upgrades    Mon Nov 01, 2010 10:37 pm

First, thanks for the help.

Alright, I want to be a lone sniper or a 2-man group sniper, and I'm gonna get a ghillie suit. I want an extremely accurate and consistent sniper with around 500fps. It's not that much more than the average rifle but most of those jg or utgs aren't consistent or very accurate because of the stock parts and upgraded spring.

I'm prepared to spend over $500 if necessary. I never said I needed to have it ready all at once.

I'm sure I want a TM VSR... Unless they come out with a Zero Trigger for the TM AWS L96.(Favorite sniper rifle in real life. Actually the L115 but it's close)

I'm going to upgrade the whole gun eventually.

Internals:
-Trigger Assembly
-Piston
-Cylinder
-Cylinder Head
-Spring Guide
-Silent Dampers

PDI 6.01 Tightbore(554mm)
Bull Barrel Spacers(Like a shit load of them)

Externals:
-Bull Barrel Base
-P Flute Bull Barrel(If I can attach the silencer to the bull barrel) or L Flute Bull Barrel
-Bull Barrel Cap(I'm not sure if I can put the G-Spec silencer on the Bull Barrel Cap please tell me)


The only trigger that I'd buy is the Zero Trigger. And I want the G-Spec because I really lover the look of silencers on everything.
Also, if I'm missing any upgrades at all let me know please. I think I saw somewhere that I needed a hard bucking for the Hop-up but Idk so I didn't list it.
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PostSubject: Re: Help with VSR-10 Upgrades    Mon Nov 01, 2010 11:23 pm

As far as it goes, you can attach the silencer to the PDI outer barrel using the end cap silencer attachment that comes with the TM Gspec.

Can you please elaborate on why you will "only" purchase a Zero Trigger? You shouldn't mix up manufacturers parts which means you should go with Laylax which in my opinion and experience is sub-standard to PDI. I myself had a Zero trigger in APS2 SV which ended breaking... three times; taking me more than 4 to 5 hours to fix each time. I had to modify three springs myself to fix it, and I have pictures to prove it.

Another buddy of mine broke the actual trigger piece after spending $200 on it and only using it for a month. With this said, I had nothing but pleasure with PDI and everything goes right into place without problems. In the case of Laylax, I had a fitment issue with there air nozzle. It is your money though, but again I am just giving you my experience.

With that said, if you are interested in TM AWS L96 then PDI makes all of the necessary upgrades for it including a PDI V trigger. Again, the PDI trigger has an adjustable trigger pull as well.

http://www.x-fire.org/list/l96/e.l96_list.html
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Pretty much you need the following for the VSR if you choose to stick with the VSR:

First:
-Tightbore Barrel
-Nineball Bucking (This would be considered a hard bucking)
-Barrel Spacers
-New Outer Barrel

Second (Stick with the same brand):
-Cylinder Set (Includes Cylinder, Cylinder head, Piston, and Spring guide)
-New Trigger


Let me know if you have any other questions.
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PostSubject: Re: Help with VSR-10 Upgrades    Mon Nov 01, 2010 11:29 pm

Actually you're right. I looked around and everyone said to get a Zero Trigger but if yours and your friend's broke that's 200+ I wouldn't want to waste and I'm not a pro so I wouldn't know how to fix it. But you're telling me that there is a trigger for the L96, then forget the VSR.
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PostSubject: Re: Help with VSR-10 Upgrades    Mon Nov 01, 2010 11:44 pm

I do still have one question. If I get the SS2000 spring for the L96 AWS and the precision Palsonite set (vc) with the V- trigger, do I need to upgrade the sears?
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PostSubject: Re: Help with VSR-10 Upgrades    Mon Nov 01, 2010 11:55 pm

Slayerfanx55 wrote:
Actually you're right. I looked around and everyone said to get a Zero Trigger but if yours and your friend's broke that's 200+ I wouldn't want to waste and I'm not a pro so I wouldn't know how to fix it. But you're telling me that there is a trigger for the L96, then forget the VSR.


If you want to go with a TM L96 AWS build, then everything in the build would translate over to the L96 AWS, with the exception of the barrel length. The L96 is about 500mm and you wouldn't gain almost anything with that extra 54mm in the L96.

Barrel: PDI 6.01mm TB 500mm in length
Bucking: Nineball Bucking
Nub: SCS Nub (Yep, they fit in the L96)
Cylinder Set: PDI Hard Cylinder Set
Barrel Spacers: PDI Barrel Spacers
Trigger: PDI V Trigger
Spring: PDI L96 140 spring (13mm) + Thrust rings

Just make sure the parts that you order are for the TM L96 only. Your best bet would be to order from X-fire, the link I posted earlier. It is PDI's direct sales department.

EDIT:

The TM L96 AWS uses a proprietary spring due to the cylinder length, so you have to use the spring I put above. You can then adjust the velocity using the thrust rings. They currently offer two springs for it, but between the spring and thrust rings, you should get right around 500 fps.

The V-trigger has the reinforced sears in it. You don't need to buy new sears...

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PostSubject: Re: Help with VSR-10 Upgrades    Tue Nov 02, 2010 1:01 am

If you want to go with a TM L96 AWS build, then everything in the build would translate over to the L96 AWS, with the exception of the barrel length. The L96 is about 500mm and you wouldn't gain almost anything with that extra 54mm in the L96.

Barrel: PDI 6.01mm TB 500mm in length
Bucking: Nineball Bucking
Nub: SCS Nub (Yep, they fit in the L96)
Cylinder Set: PDI Hard Cylinder Set
Barrel Spacers: PDI Barrel Spacers
Trigger: PDI V Trigger
Spring: PDI L96 140 spring (13mm) + Thrust rings
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http://www.tokyo-model.com.hk/ecshop/goods.php?id=7009
Will this Inner Barrel work if I want the Bull Barrel?

Will the VSR-10 Bucking work with this gun because I can't find a specific one for the AWS?


Can you find me a link for the SCS Nub? and the thrust rings?
Doesn't the the thrust ring come with the spring guide though?
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PostSubject: Re: Help with VSR-10 Upgrades    Tue Nov 02, 2010 1:25 pm

Slayerfanx55 wrote:

http://www.tokyo-model.com.hk/ecshop/goods.php?id=7009
Will this Inner Barrel work if I want the Bull Barrel?

Will the VSR-10 Bucking work with this gun because I can't find a specific one for the AWS?


Can you find me a link for the SCS Nub? and the thrust rings?
Doesn't the the thrust ring come with the spring guide though?

That inner should work fine. The L96 comes stock with a bull barrel, but if you want the PDI bull barrel, you need to get The L96 bull barrel base, the front bull barrel, and the bull barrel end cap. Because you are getting the 10mm OD tightbore, you may need to drill out the end cap a tad bit, but I am not 100% sure though.

I spent like half an hour researching it for you last night and it does take the VSR-10 buckings.

The thrust rings are at the bottom of the X-fire page: http://www.x-fire.org/list/l96/e.l96_list.html

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PostSubject: Re: Help with VSR-10 Upgrades    Tue Nov 02, 2010 5:55 pm

do you know anything about UTGs mk96? i'm upgrading it so far i got the laylax zero trig and the UTG upgrade kit, thinking bout getting a new spring any recommendation?, i'm trying to stick with the most important things so not too many fancy gadgets thanks
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PostSubject: Re: Help with VSR-10 Upgrades    Tue Nov 02, 2010 5:59 pm

just so u guys know i know that now TOKYO MARUI WILL NOT BRING ANYMORE GUNS INTO THE US AND NO DISTRIBUTORS WILL CARRY THEM ANYMORE WHICH REALLY SUCKS
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PostSubject: Re: Help with VSR-10 Upgrades    Tue Nov 02, 2010 6:09 pm

But if we can still buy what evike has in stock right?
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PostSubject: Re: Help with VSR-10 Upgrades    Tue Nov 02, 2010 6:19 pm

they stopped already besides evike only has the tokyo marui g36 blowback in stock which is 450 and the only place u can officiaolly buy tokyo marui is from ehobbyasia
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PostSubject: Re: Help with VSR-10 Upgrades    Tue Nov 02, 2010 11:12 pm

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just so u guys know i know that now TOKYO MARUI WILL NOT BRING ANYMORE GUNS INTO THE US AND NO DISTRIBUTORS WILL CARRY THEM ANYMORE WHICH REALLY SUCKS

Where did you gets this information from?


Also, if no US retailer has it in stock, then order it from overseas then. It will come out to be about the same price shipped either way just like anything else is.

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The first thing that should be upgraded on a sniper rifle is the barrel, hop-up, and bucking. The point of a sniper rifle is for accuracy, not power. Power then comes second to increase the range once you have maxed out accuracy.

Why have a rifle that has the power to reach a barn at 300 feet if you cannot even hit it? You know what I mean?


Anyway, if you have the Zero trigger and the upgrade kit (Which I don't how it will hold at high FPS. I have only used PDI, Laylax, and Polarstar), what FPS are you looking for? 500? 525? 550?

The spring that I would recommend is the APS 240 and then use thrust rings from there. Make sure it is compatible with the Type 96 though. Or look into the SS2000 if you want it over 500 fps.
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PostSubject: Re: Help with VSR-10 Upgrades    Wed Nov 03, 2010 2:04 pm

i really didn't want to go into buying barrels nor hopup units, i know they help but i've read some reviews on which they say certain TB barrels wont fit on PDI hopup's so i wanted to ask someone with bit more experience.
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PostSubject: Re: Help with VSR-10 Upgrades    Wed Nov 03, 2010 7:04 pm

Gmery wrote:
i really didn't want to go into buying barrels nor hopup units, i know they help but i've read some reviews on which they say certain TB barrels wont fit on PDI hopup's so i wanted to ask someone with bit more experience.

Only custom barrels fit on the STOCK hop-up chamber. The PDI hop-up unit uses AEG barrels and buckings. Any AEG barrel and bucking will work in the PDI hop-up unit.
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PostSubject: Re: Help with VSR-10 Upgrades    Thu Nov 04, 2010 2:14 am

so just wondering you think i can fit this monster in my gun? http://www.airsoftgi.com/product_info.php?cPath=362_364&products_id=6686

or i'd need a diff spring guide i got the one with the upgrade kit so i duno.
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PostSubject: Re: Help with VSR-10 Upgrades    Thu Nov 04, 2010 9:51 am

If you want to upgrade the spring you need to upgrade everything because stock parts will eventually break.
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PostSubject: Re: Help with VSR-10 Upgrades    Thu Nov 04, 2010 6:24 pm

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so just wondering you think i can fit this monster in my gun? http://www.airsoftgi.com/product_info.php?cPath=362_364&products_id=6686

or i'd need a diff spring guide i got the one with the upgrade kit so i duno.

That will most likely destroy your piston. I know you said you got the MK96 upgrade kit, but it isn't meant for a spring like that. With that said, you will also wear down the cylinder head quickly as well as put extra strain on the cylinder pins. With that said, I would recommend that you replace your cylinder set anyway to run a spring like that. if you want, run the spring until the cylinder set breaks, then replace it as you should anyway to run that.

What weight bb are you currently using? What do you think your minimum rules of engagement should be if you are shooting that hot?

PS: I don't like Laylax springs since they are a PITA to rack in comparison to PDI springs. Look into the SS2000, SS3000, or the SS5000 then.


If you put any springs that heavy though, you will surely destroy you cylinder set as is. But that is your prerogative.

Look into some accuracy upgrades though, they will definitely help though! Also make sure your compression is 100% by doing a compression test. if it isn't, then wrap the cylinder head threads in teflon tape, and wrap the bucking once with teflon tape as well. You will get some performance increase just in that.
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