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Subject: Re: . Sat Oct 08, 2011 9:44 pm

DEVIN wrote:: Actually repo is right sweetwater.No one is gonna be interested in making a better field if everyone wants to be cheap.People in cali are willing to pay good money to airsoft which is why there are so many fields.Cqb city is 30$ a day and they get high player attendance because the feild got to were they need to be so the 30$ is worth it.If we stop being cheap eventually we will get more feilds and the ones we have now will improve.

damn right i pay 30 bucks for my field and its totally fine with me. us cali breed play the expensive way LOL

Subject: Re: . Sat Oct 08, 2011 9:51 pm

SandDragon wrote:

sweetwater wrote:: seriously... just gtfo. you guys don't agree then who cares.. that's your opinion... i don't care. this is my opinion and i'm sticking to it. so seriously leave it alone and if you wanna take pb matrix's side then you do that i really don't care... i'm just trying to get people to go to foxhole for a change. i'm not going to argue with people that spend their fucking life chairsofting.

So what if some people think I am a N00b!... Consider the possibility that , where I'm coming from (California) you guys are even bigger N00bs!....In Cali, There are a lot of SandDragons and they all dress and play by the book!....Maybe I should show more pictures of players playing pro and doing milisim reEnactments!

Don't Judge me by what I dress... oh that guy is a Noob!

Respect!

I may not be the very best player but I sure do think a lot about the sport and maybe as a Chairsofter I may have some exceptional wisdom and witt about the subject...What I said was as valid fact like the rules as simular as of a game of Chess and Don't you Bitch and whine if It ends in a Checkmate!

I merely presented the Facts and other intell of the wisdom of directing airsoft players and other resourses away from primary developing fields...

Go play out in the woods and I really hope it works out... really!

Just saying that all levels of Organization and player attendace has gone to shit and that players, play like Savages and think like little kids, They Fail to see the big picture in the long run!

- Also Chairsofting when needed is enjoyable and necessary if it also happens to be rather useful and entertaining for all!

dont listen to this fool he obviously doesnt know how we work. there is no such thing as perfect foxhole for sure has as many problems as any other field in world. NO field is perfect. talking a bunch of shit about other fields is really a BIG asshole move. its ok to have an opinion but dont degrade other people and places simply because it conflicts with your opinion. it pisses me off when people talk shit about something simply because they dont like it. u dont like it? FINE dont sit there and talk like you fucking own the joint and that your opinion is fact.

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The guy is just poor as dirt and wants people to go play at a ninja field where he can afford to go to. His rant only continues to show anyone interested in investing in a South Florida Airsoft Field that the player base doesn't have enough money to support one.

Subject: Re: . Sat Oct 08, 2011 10:17 pm

Repo wrote:: The guy is just poor as dirt and wants people to go play at a ninja field where he can afford to go to. His rant only continues to show anyone interested in investing in a South Florida Airsoft Field that the player base doesn't have enough money to support one.

true but insulting and degrading other players and places is not something i like seeing. shit talking only pisses people off.

Subject: Re: . Sat Oct 08, 2011 11:05 pm

lol im in to fix up foxhole, i was told the grass is getting pretty long, which is nice for some stealth.........im pretty broke atm soo id be more down for foxhole than pb right now, but im not gonna trash talk it, pb is a great field and everytime ive gone there ive had a blast (except for one day where there was a superman wearing an od hat was playing)

15 dollars isnt a bad price considering all the bunkers that they've made and all the features the field has, hell the field even has war sounds and explosions thanks to sanddragon.

they have refs, they sell food and water, they have 2 nice staging spots, they rent guns, sell bbs and gas, and about 80% of the field is shaded

its true that free is better, but for free you arent going to get much except cut trails and a piece of free land

Subject: Re: . Sat Oct 08, 2011 11:22 pm

Repo wrote:: The guy is just poor as dirt and wants people to go play at a ninja field where he can afford to go to. His rant only continues to show anyone interested in investing in a South Florida Airsoft Field that the player base doesn't have enough money to support one.

You know , maybe we should watch and see if this fellow can pull in a gang of airsofters...I do not fully condem the FOX HOLE as a Loss but it will soon end as a DEAD END as it may be soon closed down!

Let them have there last days of what ever they can get, but that field is not a Legal venue and I will be most interested if I am otherwise proven that some order and leadership takes hold along with any constructive efforts, as well as good roll calls, detailed Debriefs, and even pictures.

I am not sure if the Fox Hole will get the same sort of attendance as strong as the PB Matrix field is doing (about 40-50 players average).... It has always had shabby attendance and I want Wars, not skirmishes!

PB matrix field will get better if you allow more time and work to progress...any Money paid to Venues ensures that they will develope and grow....California's CQB city is a Dream and maybe a thorn in my side in which I regret having left!....Only thing I can do is talk to Venue owners and help them set the standards.

Reble fields do nothing to help the sport progress... they are only shortcuts to what is supost to be a very expensive high end sport!.....15 dollars is cheap!

Subject: Re: . Sat Oct 08, 2011 11:53 pm

Jester wrote:: lol im in to fix up foxhole, i was told the grass is getting pretty long, which is nice for some stealth.........im pretty broke atm soo id be more down for foxhole than pb right now, but im not gonna trash talk it, pb is a great field and everytime ive gone there ive had a blast (except for one day where there was a superman wearing an od hat was playing)

15 dollars isnt a bad price considering all the bunkers that they've made and all the features the field has, hell the field even has war sounds and explosions thanks to sanddragon.

they have refs, they sell food and water, they have 2 nice staging spots, they rent guns, sell bbs and gas, and about 80% of the field is shaded

its true that free is better, but for free you arent going to get much except cut trails and a piece of free land

DAMMIT !!! i wish i was there i would of lit mr superman up bad lol

Subject: Re: . Sun Oct 09, 2011 4:37 am

Fox hole is the best!!! It's cheap and full of "grass" lol

Subject: Re: . Sun Oct 09, 2011 9:16 am

If I don't have $15 bucks, I don't even leave the house. $15 is like saying "thank you" to the owner and the refs for letting us play there which is the least we can do, so don't think anyone is going to get rich from that money. No money? Stay home and watch TV.

Subject: Re: . Sun Oct 09, 2011 7:12 pm

Soon the weather will cool down and the seasonal airsofter will come out Smile

So the holidays will be good players get money to play and field owners get the money lol

Subject: Re: . Sun Oct 09, 2011 11:18 pm

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Hey the Pb field is getting some serious bunker base development, something Fox hole lacks and you may miss out!

Today serious work was done to ensure even more safty as dangerious trees that were suposted to have fallen were finnally cut down!... the logs as well as more that were lying around were gathered and have been turned into many woodland style bunkers and pill boxes.

Alot of junky stuff has been torn down and rebuilt to a new athetic more true to milisim.

There is now 2 huge attack and defend style fortresses!

Tire bunkers were all torn down and fused into one huge Castle!

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Subject: Re: . Mon Oct 10, 2011 10:12 pm

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Hey the Pb field is getting some serious bunker base development, something Fox hole lacks and you may miss out!

Today serious work was done to ensure even more safty as dangerious trees that were suposted to have fallen were finnally cut down!... the logs as well as more that were lying around were gathered and have been turned into many woodland style bunkers and pill boxes.

Alot of junky stuff has been torn down and rebuilt to a new athetic more true to milisim.

There is now 2 huge attack and defend style fortresses!

Tire bunkers were all torn down and fused into on huge Castle!

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the only reason foxhole lacks it is because we don't put effort in to it.

so let try to.

Subject: Re: . Mon Oct 10, 2011 10:20 pm

randy is right sanddragon you gave up on foxhole which is fucked up you should give it another chance seriously do that and it will come back to life ...

Subject: Re: . Mon Oct 10, 2011 10:35 pm

I dont think you guys get it....FOXHOLE IS NOT A LEGAL FIELD. You can enjoy it temporarily. So lets think about this for a second...you go out and spend time cleaning the field, building bunkers, setting up a staging area. You tell all of your friends,"Hey guys, lets all go next week to play at Foxhole"...The following weekend comes around, and then you find a sign that says...COMING SOON: BANK OF AMERICA...or some other business that can potentially buy the land and inevitably make Foxhole non existent. The point is the place was great, that is a given, from what I have seen and read, but whether you agree or not, just support the legal fields to make a better place to play and allow the sport to evolve. Although we all will not agree, I think we can agree we enjoying playing Airsoft. The 5 dollar hike might be stiff for some, but in the long run it will pay off.

Wolf

Subject: Re: . Mon Oct 10, 2011 10:44 pm

If you guys want to go back to Fox Hole all you have to do is chop down some trails. I do not remember EVER hiding behind any bunkers. Fox Hole is about stealth and being a sneaky bastard. Let me know when you guys want to chop chop and we can play there a couple of times a month. I'm game either way but remember...
Rebbel fields go down, so don't forget about PB Matrix. Why is it that no one shows up on Sunday anywhere? If you guys are broke, then pay $$$ on Saturday and Fox Hole Sunday. We can get together for a few quick games, it does not have to be EPIC every time. If you guys want big games, go to PMC. The place is big enough to get you huffin' and puffin' and I always say the Admin there is top notch.

"Alright, peace brother... One love" Pineapple Express

Subject: Re: . Mon Oct 10, 2011 10:46 pm

M4Wolf wrote:: I dont think you guys get it....FOXHOLE IS NOT A LEGAL FIELD. You can enjoy it temporarily. So lets think about this for a second...you go out and spend time cleaning the field, building bunkers, setting up a staging area. You tell all of your friends,"Hey guys, lets all go next week to play at Foxhole"...The following weekend comes around, and then you find a sign that says...COMING SOON: BANK OF AMERICA...or some other business that can potentially buy the land and inevitably make Foxhole non existent. The point is the place was great, that is a given, from what I have seen and read, but whether you agree or not, just support the legal fields to make a better place to play and allow the sport to evolve. Although we all will not agree, I think we can agree we enjoying playing Airsoft. The 5 dollar hike might be stiff for some, but in the long run it will pay off.

Wolf

just asking have you gone to foxhole?

because i highly doubt they are going to make anything where foxhole is located.

Subject: Re: . Mon Oct 10, 2011 11:15 pm

Hey Randy I have never been out there, but I wanted to share a little finding with you guys. This is all the public information on Fox Hole. Sorry to be the bearer of bad new but it is government owned. Dade County Public Schools holds the deed to the land and can potentially expand that school. A little over 4 million can get the field and the school bought out.

Summary Details:
Folio No.: 30-6936-000-0280
Property: 12225 SW 280 ST
Mailing Address: THE SCHOOL BOARD OF MIAMI DADE
COUNTY
1450 NE 2ND AVE MIAMI FL
33132-1308
Property Information:
Primary Zone: 0100 SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE
CLUC: 0080 VACANT LAND GOVERNMENT

Adj Sq Footage: 0
Lot Size: 34.73 ACRES

Year: 2011 2010
Land Value: $4,841,104 $4,841,104
Building Value: $0 $0
Market Value: $4,841,104 $4,841,104
Assessed Value: $4,841,104 $4,841,104
Taxable Value Information:
Year: 2011 2010
Taxing Authority: Applied Exemption/
Taxable Value: Applied Exemption/
Taxable Value:
Regional: $4,841,104/$0 $4,841,104/$0
County: $4,841,104/$0 $4,841,104/$0
School Board: $4,841,104/$0 $4,841,104/$0

Subject: Re: . Tue Oct 11, 2011 12:50 pm

yo ricky im down for foxhole any weekend just let me know

Subject: Re: . Tue Oct 11, 2011 4:33 pm

so then lets play until or IF that day comes.

Subject: Re: . Tue Oct 11, 2011 6:07 pm

EAGLE wrote:: randy is right sanddragon you gave up on foxhole which is fucked up you should give it another chance seriously do that and it will come back to life ...

Whats fucked up is the fact that sanddragon was the main person who was commited to fixing up foxhole and would always post roll calls to build bunkers, yet apparently everyone forgot about that and is blaming him or foxhole's deterioration. If you really want something done, pay for it yourself. As for me i dont mind the turnout and the entry fee for pb matrix field.

Subject: Re: . Tue Oct 11, 2011 6:12 pm

dude sanddragon commited fixing that place up and abandoned it i dont care about the price for pb yes i can afford it but the size of the field is so small ......

Subject: Re: . Thu Oct 13, 2011 10:48 pm

GioZoo is correct! Why would anyone say anything about SandDragon after all he has done for everyone in the forum and in the field? Thank you SandDragon for all your enthusiasm and help growing the sport.

I'm posting a roll call for Fox Hole Sunday, if there is not one already, maybe to get some trails re-opened and some quick games in. Give it a test run to see what we can do. That way we can pay on Saturday at PB and play for free on Sunday at Fox Hole.

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M4Wolf wrote:: I dont think you guys get it....FOXHOLE IS NOT A LEGAL FIELD. You can enjoy it temporarily. So lets think about this for a second...you go out and spend time cleaning the field, building bunkers, setting up a staging area. You tell all of your friends,"Hey guys, lets all go next week to play at Foxhole"...The following weekend comes around, and then you find a sign that says...COMING SOON: BANK OF AMERICA...or some other business that can potentially buy the land and inevitably make Foxhole non existent. The point is the place was great, that is a given, from what I have seen and read, but whether you agree or not, just support the legal fields to make a better place to play and allow the sport to evolve. Although we all will not agree, I think we can agree we enjoying playing Airsoft. The 5 dollar hike might be stiff for some, but in the long run it will pay off.

Wolf

Honestly its safe to assume that nothing is going to happen behind a school deep in Homestead business-wise, not saying that it couldn't happen, just extremely unlikely. If in the case that it actually happened all we would have to simply to is find another area and bring the items we had set at the previous field, many people would rather lose a little effort in creating a nice field than wasting $15 a week to a field that is similar to a field built by local Airsofters. Not everyone can pay, you have to understand, unfortunately economy is just like that, and until it gets better many average people will have to stay away from hobbies unless they were given a chance free of charge. Just my 2 Cents

Subject: Re: . Sun Oct 16, 2011 7:44 pm

EAGLE wrote:: randy is right sanddragon you gave up on foxhole which is fucked up you should give it another chance seriously do that and it will come back to life ...

I Fuckin Owned Fox hole!

basically worked it and refined some bunker builds there and barely no one ever helped!

only Idiots littering and leaving trash....dropping in and playing- playing shitty and taking advantage of any thing good I ever contributed... as soon as I left for PB matrix field to do some really serious venue builds... Fox Hole goes to shit and disuse!

Players here are really disfunctional the whole lot!

They are all Spoiled little princes who expect to play , and play free expecting already well made bunkers and trails cut clear for them to prance around and play like little bad asses and pay little respect for Engineers like myself who keep them going!

Go ahead and try and get Fox Hole going!....I run a tight ship and most of the Fox hole crew are a bunch of drunken pirates... probablly gonna get caught!

Subject: Re: . Sun Oct 16, 2011 10:02 pm

GioZ00 wrote:

EAGLE wrote:: randy is right sanddragon you gave up on foxhole which is fucked up you should give it another chance seriously do that and it will come back to life ...

Whats fucked up is the fact that sanddragon was the main person who was commited to fixing up foxhole and would always post roll calls to build bunkers, yet apparently everyone forgot about that and is blaming him or foxhole's deterioration. If you really want something done, pay for it yourself. As for me i dont mind the turnout and the entry fee for pb matrix field.

Its amazing how people easily forget!...It is Fucked up that Once I stop working on the Fox Hole it all goes to shit once i divert my energy on a potential legal venue where some serious shit could be built!

Fox hole could have been maintained and constantlly managed and well attended if the crew actually behaved like a crew!

Of course there are not enough die hards here and maybe getting recruits is kind of hard givenm it is a rebel field... this is why Many players that are new will go to a legal public airsoft venue!

out at PB Matrix - first time players will be refered there on the buying of an airsoft gun!

In Fox hole- its kind of a Secret spot so you got to be already in the know and find and join the secret club....unfortunatelly this club has never managed itself very well!

Right now I am building the equivelant of ROME- and it cannot be built in a day.... I want people to seek out this area as the new Roman capital!- all roads will lead to Rome!

The Airsoft Roman Empire will be PB Matrix Field!- now be a good Gladiator and join us in the Coluseum!

I leave the Fox Hole to some other dude who will later possiblly aprieciate the shit I did to work on it... he will probablly be underappreciated and working alone - please prove me wrong Fox hole Crew!