Indoor airsoft field

Lol OK we can help with that. And doom you have no idea how much I laughed when I saw arwins video and you were there with that bike helmet. Lmfao epic dude. I'm glad I found the person who wore that lmao. Since I don't have the camera yet I'm most likely going to do something tacky like that. LOL too funny bro you would get along with us just fine because Cubans are always inventing

xTwiiisteDx wrote:

Lol OK we can help with that. And doom you have no idea how much I laughed when I saw arwins video and you were there with that bike helmet. Lmfao epic dude. I'm glad I found the person who wore that lmao. Since I don't have the camera yet I'm most likely going to do something tacky like that. LOL too funny bro you would get along with us just fine because Cubans are always inventing

if i was cuban hell ya lol im white as snow though hehe. yea i just wanted to TRY video recording then was like oh hell yes gonna go big. as far as a name? well ive thought a few cause i had the same idea- to open up an airsoft arena. problem is here in cali i have to pay out my ass for the special gun license weapon permits medical insurance waivers so its way too expensive here to do it freelance.

oh ya the name try Extraction Point or something.

@ Romeo

The biggest problem you will have with investors is that the numbers show that its extremely more profitable right now to invest in other things. Another big thing you have to deal with is investors who aren't interested in Airsoft for a sport alone will be somewhat weary so you will need to create the image of "Wouldn't you have loved to have money in the paintball game right before it exploded?"

I will help you out with the numbers over the phone sometime (message me a aim IM name if you have one or a telephone number).

One of the biggest problems with the "South Florida" real estate is that everyone thinks their building is made of pure gold. A building could have sat empty at its current lease rates for a year and the owner won't budge much on its price per square foot. Your looking at the minimum of 70K per year in rent alone at a building of no less than 30k square foot. If you have a building of 30K you really loose alot of square footage in staging and in your proshop/intake area. You really need a proshop to sure up the profit margin, but this will lower the amount of people you can have in the structure per the fire marshel. Depending on your layout you might only get a total of less than 85 allowed in the structure at once. This number may seem high, but once you count in staff and parents in the structure you end up with a count of only 75 (which is less than Rage was getting on Saturday nights).


One of the most profitable ways I came up with was actually running a outdoor cqb area. You could buy a 5 acre area for under 150K. Rent would be very little per year if you couldn't come up with the funds for it. For another 150K you can buy storage containers and hire a welder and lift to have a custom setup for a field. If you work with local law enforcement to find out their needs you can design the perfect mid-week training center. Considering how much those normally cost LEO agencies you can give them a cut rate and actually when combined with airsoft make a decent profit. The indoor field has the advantage of not being affected by weather, but the added cost of rent that will not depretiate makes it difficult to overcome.

The best bet for starting a indoor field is to find a owner of a large building who cannot currently do anything with it and get a partnership going on. If you were able to do that your buildout and inventory could be as low as 100K to get the field started. If you could find that getting a loan from a bank (taking into account your credit score) would actually be feasible considering that there is finally going to be a American Safety and Standerds ruleing on airsoft soon. This org is basically what banks/insurance companies use to decide if certain activites, like sports, have a standerd to allow them to take into cost the risk factors. Also this means that because of the proposed conditions you would need to abide by them. These conditions are proposed as 350FPS, accidental discharge devices and safety gear.

Repo wrote:

@ Romeo

The biggest problem you will have with investors is that the numbers show that its extremely more profitable right now to invest in other things. Another big thing you have to deal with is investors who aren't interested in Airsoft for a sport alone will be somewhat weary so you will need to create the image of "Wouldn't you have loved to have money in the paintball game right before it exploded?"

I will help you out with the numbers over the phone sometime (message me a aim IM name if you have one or a telephone number).

One of the biggest problems with the "South Florida" real estate is that everyone thinks their building is made of pure gold. A building could have sat empty at its current lease rates for a year and the owner won't budge much on its price per square foot. Your looking at the minimum of 70K per year in rent alone at a building of no less than 30k square foot. If you have a building of 30K you really loose alot of square footage in staging and in your proshop/intake area. You really need a proshop to sure up the profit margin, but this will lower the amount of people you can have in the structure per the fire marshel. Depending on your layout you might only get a total of less than 85 allowed in the structure at once. This number may seem high, but once you count in staff and parents in the structure you end up with a count of only 75 (which is less than Rage was getting on Saturday nights).


One of the most profitable ways I came up with was actually running a outdoor cqb area. You could buy a 5 acre area for under 150K. Rent would be very little per year if you couldn't come up with the funds for it. For another 150K you can buy storage containers and hire a welder and lift to have a custom setup for a field. If you work with local law enforcement to find out their needs you can design the perfect mid-week training center. Considering how much those normally cost LEO agencies you can give them a cut rate and actually when combined with airsoft make a decent profit. The indoor field has the advantage of not being affected by weather, but the added cost of rent that will not depretiate makes it difficult to overcome.

The best bet for starting a indoor field is to find a owner of a large building who cannot currently do anything with it and get a partnership going on. If you were able to do that your buildout and inventory could be as low as 100K to get the field started. If you could find that getting a loan from a bank (taking into account your credit score) would actually be feasible considering that there is finally going to be a American Safety and Standerds ruleing on airsoft soon. This org is basically what banks/insurance companies use to decide if certain activites, like sports, have a standerd to allow them to take into cost the risk factors. Also this means that because of the proposed conditions you would need to abide by them. These conditions are proposed as 350FPS, accidental discharge devices and safety gear.

at least in florida the hard part is buying the land. here in california u will pay AT LEAST 300k in permit/license/insurance charges. i support you guys doing this because this sport needs as many fields as possible.

well here we have to pay land( if not owned), taxes, insurance, and a hole crap of things sucks

xTwiiisteDx wrote:

well here we have to pay land( if not owned), taxes, insurance, and a hole crap of things sucks

yea but i dont think florida has as many retarded gun laws as california

I wouldn't be able to tell you. I know about buildings because I have read FBC regulations and >.< a lot of freaking laws!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Well sooooo many they are divided into services lol.

xTwiiisteDx wrote:

I wouldn't be able to tell you. I know about buildings because I have read FBC regulations and >.< a lot of freaking laws!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Well sooooo many they are divided into services lol.

well if you go rural and more on the border of counties those laws arent as strict they only really reinforce those laws for those who try to open up an airsoft arena in a densly populated area. the cost of land more so out in the boonies is really cheap too

The reason that I suggested the outdoor option is that you can have feel of mout verses hardcore cqb. Being you could have the place out in the boonies is that you can get away from harsh zoning and fees. The further you are away from the public the less likely someone will stick their nose in your buisness. Also this would allow a secluded place for LEO training. If you have law enforcement training there you already have the local government on your side as well.

I think this is a great idea and i'm more than willing to help out with maintenence and field work so once you get it started you can hit me up lol

Repo wrote:

@ Romeo

The biggest problem you will have with investors is that the numbers show that its extremely more profitable right now to invest in other things. Another big thing you have to deal with is investors who aren't interested in Airsoft for a sport alone will be somewhat weary so you will need to create the image of "Wouldn't you have loved to have money in the paintball game right before it exploded?"

I will help you out with the numbers over the phone sometime (message me a aim IM name if you have one or a telephone number).

One of the biggest problems with the "South Florida" real estate is that everyone thinks their building is made of pure gold. A building could have sat empty at its current lease rates for a year and the owner won't budge much on its price per square foot. Your looking at the minimum of 70K per year in rent alone at a building of no less than 30k square foot. If you have a building of 30K you really loose alot of square footage in staging and in your proshop/intake area. You really need a proshop to sure up the profit margin, but this will lower the amount of people you can have in the structure per the fire marshel. Depending on your layout you might only get a total of less than 85 allowed in the structure at once. This number may seem high, but once you count in staff and parents in the structure you end up with a count of only 75 (which is less than Rage was getting on Saturday nights).


One of the most profitable ways I came up with was actually running a outdoor cqb area. You could buy a 5 acre area for under 150K. Rent would be very little per year if you couldn't come up with the funds for it. For another 150K you can buy storage containers and hire a welder and lift to have a custom setup for a field. If you work with local law enforcement to find out their needs you can design the perfect mid-week training center. Considering how much those normally cost LEO agencies you can give them a cut rate and actually when combined with airsoft make a decent profit. The indoor field has the advantage of not being affected by weather, but the added cost of rent that will not depretiate makes it difficult to overcome.

The best bet for starting a indoor field is to find a owner of a large building who cannot currently do anything with it and get a partnership going on. If you were able to do that your buildout and inventory could be as low as 100K to get the field started. If you could find that getting a loan from a bank (taking into account your credit score) would actually be feasible considering that there is finally going to be a American Safety and Standerds ruleing on airsoft soon. This org is basically what banks/insurance companies use to decide if certain activites, like sports, have a standerd to allow them to take into cost the risk factors. Also this means that because of the proposed conditions you would need to abide by them. These conditions are proposed as 350FPS, accidental discharge devices and safety gear.

Not having enough Money, probablly means You are probablly gonna have to play is a small room!




A rather nasty taste of reality and it bites!...

The only way this CQB shit will ever take off is if we have a well to do Billionare willing to invest in the sport and build an airsoft Capital or that a venue progressivelly grows and has to buy up more land and buildings to add on like a Disney world...only not so Friendly as the guests could be shot!

If this was another era, like say the 1920s great depression a hurting farmer or land owner with an empty building would open a speak easy for our Gangsters in training!

this may not apply to you guys out there but if you were to open up here what you could do is find an airsoft retailer willing to sponsor you. as far as they host weapon sales/repairs and gear merchandise. like a lot of our fields around me are sponsored by Airsoft Extreme. Evike is a BIG sponsor too. but all of their main stores and HQs are out here so i dont think that it will work with them out there but if you guys have somebody like that i know they would be willing to invest. also find players with money. airsoft is a hobby, hobbies cost money. if theres a lot of airsofters, they all can pitch in for it. that being said you may need to compromise a few things with them since they donated. as far as finding a random investor good luck not to be mean but i doubt in 20 years you would find one if you went door to door in beverly hills. so if your problem is money i know dedicated airsofters/ milsim lovers/ ex military would be happy to help. all you have to do is know where to look. again try to find a local airsoft shop to sponsor you and agree to host a small shop on site. airsoft shop would LOVE to expand their market. more $$ for them.

Im in the middle of my main business plan now i already have three investors ready and willing. my next step is to talk with the miami dade police cheif witch is easy for me... hint hint. As for the field we need to start small and work our way up from there. So the indoor field may be small for the first few months but its a start.

@Romeo

Like I said before a small place will be even smaller than you think once you put the other dedicated areas in besides the play area. A big hint would be to let anyone who sells airsoft products know there is no selling at your location off the bat. No point in paying overhead to let someone come in and use your field to do their buisness.

Repo wrote:

@Romeo

Like I said before a small place will be even smaller than you think once you put the other dedicated areas in besides the play area. A big hint would be to let anyone who sells airsoft products know there is no selling at your location off the bat. No point in paying overhead to let someone come in and use your field to do their buisness.

remember COD4? Killhouse i think it was called... THAT size is prefect theres a guy here in cali that remade that field. if you want a good CQB map layout go with that size

romeo0707 wrote:

Im in the middle of my main business plan now i already have three investors ready and willing. my next step is to talk with the miami dade police cheif witch is easy for me... hint hint. As for the field we need to start small and work our way up from there. So the indoor field may be small for the first few months but its a start.

ill make you a deal. if you SERIOUSLY build up a CQB field, i will see about personally flying down to you guys and will help you build it up. i can also help you establish rules and regulations.

I had a money making Idea but this I may never Carry out but maybe some one with the right connections and money could carry out my dream.

Imagine if you let and allowed teenagers to manage and run a mall in their own creative way?....Skate boarding and Bmx allowed!
Ya there might be some guetto things but maybe even more action and money made than what you see in a standard club!

Now Don't shoot down the Concept with negativity, its just a concept... I am sure it will require all sorts of complicated enforcements and safty buffers butit is geared towards drawing enthusiasts and hobbyists.

It is a mega complex somewhat like a Mall that could host multi purpose sports and hobbys as well as machine and workshops, food restauarnts and cafes, basically a mall dedicated to interactive hobbys and sports.- I am sure theres room for even a book shop that caters to all the themes!

safety issues would have to be ironed out but lets say the complex was architectually designed well and has sufficent subdivisions for each theme.

In this place you may see a possible Meet of RC modelers or a great model railroader meet doing a display, There may even be full on dedicated rooms! It is these extra hobby sports and other themes that will keep such a mall going.

I don't wanna go into too many complex details so this is the simplified complex idea if say the connections and money were ever secured and a Dream could be launched.

It would have to be about the size of half of Dadeland mall or more and have many auditoriums for different events, whether it be hosting indoor helicoperss and RC car races... there could actually be dedicated venue rooms for other hobbys to thus keep the mega plex going...there only needs to be safe buffers so that no one may enter a gaming zone with out first entering a virtual airlock to a diferent zone.

I am thinking in a bigger multi scale because it would actually draw in more hobbyist in other fields besides airsoft that could get investors and sponsors to host and build such a place.

Since the Idea is like a huge mall, it would attract people who will come to visit maybe on say a disney world like scale just because it caters to all the other interesting sports and diversions.

Basically thats it!....It just needs the basics to get it launched and then it must be able to substain itself as a venue... the only question is whether or not a Mall with this sort of Theme will ever fly...will attract the sufficent markets and customers.

The next goal would also be to have one of these special malls at every major city in the world!- No one should be deprived of a potential education of a hobby or even a taboo sport!

I wanna visit the one room with all the cool steam trains running on miles of tracks...a bit more than I could ever lay in my own house, maybe I can even partake with a team who is building that huge bridge!

a hobby shop mega mall, epic...

Pandemonium wrote:

a hobby shop mega mall, epic...

Oh and lets not discount all the work shops that may include anime conventions and other interesting parties... COSPLAY!



It's basically a Themed megaplex that is catered for the target markets as well as venues for Airsoft and paintball!....A venue owner who is doing well can thus expand or host many events!

SandDragon wrote:

Pandemonium wrote:

a hobby shop mega mall, epic...

Oh and lets not discount all the work shops that may include anime conventions and other interesting parties... COSPLAY!



It's basically a Themed megaplex that is catered for the target markets as well as venues for Airsoft and paintball!....A venue owner who is doing well can thus expand or host many events!

cosplay holy shit can you imagine me showing up like this?

@ SandDragon you know if you had an anime convention i would be there ASAP!! lol Sac town just had theirs lol was ok not much was there too many asians lol i was the only white dude

the most we are going to have on the field at one time is ten people. and the set up on the field to start this business off the ground is going to be that of a paint ball speed course. TO START. only players and teams with experience will be allowed to play for the first few months in huge tournament’s for money$$ you must be consestant if anyone wants this indoor thing to work. heres my phone number text me for and questions. 305 335 8337

all guns must be transported in a case as well as have an orange tip. And all player must wear full face masks of some kind i dont care what it is as long as its cool and covers your face.

Man at 10 people I wouldn't do it. Your not gonna get enough attendance during the week and not going to have enough space on the weekends. If you do it your gonna not even gonna get 10 people on the weekends, because you are gonna start having 25-45 people show up and either get bored from not getting enough games in or they will get bored that the field is so small and you will quickly not have enough people to stay open.

BTW MiamiAirsoft is going to have their indoor field (about 20K square feet play area) open in about two months. You really won't be able to compete with that if you can only house 10 players at a time.

Repo wrote:

Man at 10 people I wouldn't do it. Your not gonna get enough attendance during the week and not going to have enough space on the weekends. If you do it your gonna not even gonna get 10 people on the weekends, because you are gonna start having 25-45 people show up and either get bored from not getting enough games in or they will get bored that the field is so small and you will quickly not have enough people to stay open.

BTW MiamiAirsoft is going to have their indoor field (about 20K square feet play area) open in about two months. You really won't be able to compete with that if you can only house 10 players at a time.

26-32 is the best for that size. dont enforce full face masks after the age of 18. at 18 they sign a waiver then they are good but the little kids hell ya full mask. orange tip? seriously? EVERY one of my guns doesnt have one and none of our fields (or any other field i know) enforces that..