pmc or foxhole

ok guys. i am actually a little bored today, so i decided to create this topic that eventually was going to pop out.
as some of you might know, last saturday some of us went to pmc field and had a blast there. in my opinion pmc has a lot more potencial than fox hole, but it is much better to let democracy use its power to decide which field we should use more often (with this i mean that we are not gonna leave the loser field behind cause it is good to change fields from time to time)
also, i took the lirberty to post some pros and cons about both field and here they are:


FOX HOLE:
PROS:

1)hidden place, hard to find where we have no problems showing our guns in public.
2)some work has been done in this field... we have some trails set up, a staging area and some bunkers
3)extremely easy to flank teams (i state this as a pro because lots of people hate campers)
4) huge place, this field is big (might be a con when few people go like it happens on some saturdays)
5) lots of tires in the field that sandragon moves and makes more bunkers


CONS:
1) this field always turns out a camp fest
2) no shady areas where we can play when it is hot as hell like it is being now
3) big holes that gave this field his name...
4) hard to use long rifles... everybody knows why


PMC:
PROS:
1)this field has an open area that is perfect to play some capture the flag or objective games, also it is good for people who like sniping but they can be easily flanked.
2) a really well covered shady area where we can play when it gets really hot
3) easy to get there, you just got to take the turnpike and you are almost there
4) the parking is much better than the one on foxhole


CONS:
1) tough terrain. there are some parts where there is some water and mud (in my opinion that makes the field a little more fun)
2) this field needs further development, but as i said before the potencial is limitless
3) no staging area, well made bunkers or trails
4) the field is next to a construction zone where trucks are working (last saturday we had to move the cars because we were bloking the trucks) and they might get worried abouts us showing ur guns (also we may get in trouble if 1 of the workers gets hit)

well...as i said before this is my opinion. i like pmc much better than foxhole.
if you like to state your opinion just do it, but please keep itprofessional and dont get this post off topic.... thx

ps: i dnt knw if im setting the poll right

I agree with you that the tough terrain and mud makes it more fun.The only thing i dont like about pmc is that there isn't a staging area but it isn't a finished field so you can expect that.

I invested a lot of energy in FOX HOLE and have been studying the map, I have been carefully adding tire bunker bases, even correcting design layouts if found to be dysfunctional.

Great for all sorts of weapon types - pick your battles carefully!

Fox hole is overall well balanced and dry....Can be well carved out with the help of a machete...All holes detected have been Found, covered, or plugged with a huge tire!

Issues of the hot sun can be remedied by taking shelter in the shade and not lingering in the parking lot -FOOLS!

Resources:

A shit load of dumped tires throughout this area allows me to stack them like Lego block sand bags so If you give me more time and and extra hand the field will eventually become even more interesting.

Location:
Area is in the middle of nowhere type undeveloped lot of land, Highly unlikely to be developed maybe for quite a long ass time!...Nothing here since that last Hurricane long long ago!- Even if you leave it... it will always be there!

Left some rather nice gear there and in any other area they may as well have been stolen or vandalized...Fox Hole has potential as being a cool secret spot!

Map showing current Fox hole bases and tire pill boxes outlined on some roads.

My Opinion on PMC field

OWNER limits the type of construction of bases, bridges and some stuff already there was found to have been built badly, is unsafe, or a Bio hazard.- has to be taken down or removed!- dictated by an inspector.

Unsafe structures in use....They mean well but it was all slapped together in such a way that it is crap!

In a bad neighborhood: I wouldn't leave a tarp tent or flag gear here... this area was said to have received occasional Dumping s by the locals!

Not likely to get well developed....The area is wet, muddy and may be underwater at times- Don't accidentally drop your A.E.G.!

You cannot really safely run here! You will either get snagged on something, hit a tree or trip on a log and there are many!

Untrustworthy rotten logs have been found...not good to climb only to fall!

I do not like any of the bunkers or objective points... they don't seem realistic or comfortable in there current positions...they were placed there out of convenience and are not strategic!
Trust me...I roll proper tires pill boxes and study a map!...this place will be hard to map!

Forest issue:
This place lacks landmarks and is not like Fox hole...so a new guy could get lost here as the such in my case...If you say Fox hole is a camp fest, PMC field is so dense it will force you to start to camp!

Whereas a new player dropping in at FoxHole will become quickly familiar with the lay of the land!- Camping would become a minimum issue because you could always out-flank and enemy....paths and trails are not too dense and we even got paved roads to patrol!

On a good note...It can only be remedied if you all actually pitched in and right all the wrongs!

agreed with sandman.

i like knowing that if i run around at foxhole i wont get stuck in mud or have to walk around from fear of trippin on a log or getting snagged up

it could be developed a bit more. but till then im sticking to foxhole. plus foxhole has a staging area, vast scenario use, and bunkers.

ok saddragon you are not being objective...u are just posting everything "good" of foxhole and everthing bad on pmc. the mud thing... ok... i understand its a problem for some people. but maybe it is because it rained and might dry out over time.... everything there that u posted can be fixed. the things in foxhole may not... as u have posted before as "noobish tactics" there are places in foxhole where it is extremely stresfull to play with campers. u say pmc is dense like if foxhole it is not.... at least in pmc it is green grass and u cant actually walk through it and make your own path while foxhole it is dense dead branches that make it impossible to walk from certain places. also, dont forget foxole u walk and make so many noise that every1 can hear... while pmc is like rinker... much better. i understand that u have put some time in foxhole but that does not mean that all the bad thing about it dessapear...

Sion wrote:

ok saddragon you are not being objective...u are just posting everything "good" of foxhole and everthing bad on pmc. the mud thing... ok... i understand its a problem for some people. but maybe it is because it rained and might dry out over time.... everything there that u posted can be fixed. the things in foxhole may not... as u have posted before as "noobish tactics" there are places in foxhole where it is extremely stresfull to play with campers. u say pmc is dense like if foxhole it is not.... at least in pmc it is green grass and u cant actually walk through it and make your own path while foxhole it is dense dead branches that make it impossible to walk from certain places. also, dont forget foxole u walk and make so many noise that every1 can hear... while pmc is like rinker... much better. i understand that u have put some time in foxhole but that does not mean that all the bad thing about it dessapear...

sorry my opinion seems one sided!...You said it was ok to voice it!

Fox hole has its bad sides but we are getting closer to already fixing most of the battlefield area and It seems like It is more manageable to map, examine and modify.

The PMC field has potential but It will need a lot of hard working "SandDragons"

So far not too many people have stayed long after to help but I was still able to track resources and tires and roll out some decent bunkers, ask opinions and even make adjustments.

Battle field building here is an art to me!....Its probably hard wired in my mentality and hey I'm an artist, why not perfect it!?

Shade will always be an issue at Fox hole and at least it will always be dry and so I can lay down and use my bipod equipt machine gun, something that I found difficult to do at PMC field.

I understand that there are pros and cons to each field but as long as I back up the Fox hole with more efforts....I soon hope to eventually produce a field that had been well designed and properly built despite the fact that it is all on underground property.... It is interesting that I can single handedly take on work on the Fox hole and continue independent builds.

So far we got a few good bases and trails and flags still proudly fly off base bunker masts, we have a good rest area and whole paved road city block at our disposal! - Little land here is squandered to waste as it is battle ready or can be made ready if you took the extra time!

I will be happy to see if I can survey and map PMC field and determine if we can use the full extent of the map!

Efforts for work on PMC field are gonna be staggering! You will need a full on working crew to make a dent in it!

SandDragon wrote:

I invested a lot of energy in FOX HOLE and have been studying the map, I have been carefully adding tire bunker bases, even correcting design layouts if found to be dysfunctional.

Great for all sorts of weapon types - pick your battles carefully!

Fox hole is overall well balanced and dry....Can be well carved out with the help of a machete...All holes detected have been Found, covered, or plugged with a huge tire!

Issues of the hot sun can be remedied by taking shelter in the shade and not lingering in the parking lot -FOOLS!

Resources:

A shit load of dumped tires throughout this area allows me to stack them like Lego block sand bags so If you give me more time and and extra hand the field will eventually become even more interesting.

Location:
Area is in the middle of nowhere type undeveloped lot of land, Highly unlikely to be developed maybe for quite a long ass time!...Nothing here since that last Hurricane long long ago!- Even if you leave it... it will always be there!

Left some rather nice gear there and in any other area they may as well have been stolen or vandalized...Fox Hole has potential as being a cool secret spot!

Map showing current Fox hole bases and tire pill boxes outlined on some roads.

In the middle of no were?Its behind a school.And next to a public park witch is the reason that we cant use smoke or sound grenades.And in the debrief you said that PMc ends to early at foxhole games start at 12:00 noon most of the time and end at 2:00pm.And new people do get lost in foxhole i had no problem at PMC.What i like about foxhole is that its free because its abandont land.PMc is a mix of foxhole and Ho chi only bigger.

The only real problems I always see at foxhole is the lack of people attending at times, and the thick brush in the areas surrounding the "pine forest", particularly to the west of it. PMC is a good field, the only problems with it are the massive abundance of logs and obstacles on the floor that make swift movement into a parkour rally, and the lack of structures around the area, but that can be remedied witht he proper effort by PMC and its members.

As for the camping at foxhole, it does happen at times, but usually there is a flank. Not always, but usually. I didn't see that much camping at PMC, but at least one more path for one of the areas overlooking the pond would be nice to encourage movement (some people that went last Saturday know what I'm talking about)

Foxhole big? Did you ever play at the Silo during the full field games? Or at the building before they got rid of the parking lot?

GioZ00 wrote:

The only real problems I always see at foxhole is the lack of people attending at times, and the thick brush in the areas surrounding the "pine forest", particularly to the west of it. PMC is a good field, the only problems with it are the massive abundance of logs and obstacles on the floor that make swift movement into a parkour rally, and the lack of structures around the area, but that can be remedied witht he proper effort by PMC and its members.

As for the camping at foxhole, it does happen at times, but usually there is a flank. Not always, but usually. I didn't see that much camping at PMC, but at least one more path for one of the areas overlooking the pond would be nice to encourage movement (some people that went last Saturday know what I'm talking about)

There are huge chunks of land at PMC field that are just really unsuitable or unusable for airsoft action...The pond is one particular item that can actually pose a nasty muddy barrier say if ya were to suddenly fall into it or accidentally find it due to a lot of rain.

While trail blazing in some areas I found myself following my group through a swamp. There are so many logs also scattered over the forest floor so It really forces a player to slow down.

Fox hole would be reliably dry and is good for those who like to crawl around but not get submerged or wet like in PMC field........... Oh Shit ! -I found another wet area when I dived into those bushes! - Friends answer back:- You look like you really shit yourself!

Besides that, I don't really want to track mud after a game back into my car!

SandDragon wrote:

GioZ00 wrote:

The only real problems I always see at foxhole is the lack of people attending at times, and the thick brush in the areas surrounding the "pine forest", particularly to the west of it. PMC is a good field, the only problems with it are the massive abundance of logs and obstacles on the floor that make swift movement into a parkour rally, and the lack of structures around the area, but that can be remedied witht he proper effort by PMC and its members.

As for the camping at foxhole, it does happen at times, but usually there is a flank. Not always, but usually. I didn't see that much camping at PMC, but at least one more path for one of the areas overlooking the pond would be nice to encourage movement (some people that went last Saturday know what I'm talking about)

There are huge chunks of land at PMC field that are just really unsuitable or unusable for airsoft action...The pond is one particular item that can actually pose a nasty muddy barrier say if ya were to suddenly fall into it or accidentally find it due to a lot of rain.

While trail blazing in some areas I found myself following my group through a swamp. There are so many logs also scattered over the forest floor so It really forces a player to slow down.

Fox hole would be reliably dry and is good for those who like to crawl around but not get submerged or wet like in PMC field........... Oh Shit ! -I found another wet area when I dived into those bushes! - Friends answer back:- You look like you really shit yourself!

Besides that, I don't really want to track mud after a game back into my car!

Only a retard would fall into it.The bridge looks crapy but is sturdy and wide enouph.And why would anyone be playing in heavy rain?And there were only a few bit of mud there i crawled around a lot at pmc and never came close to getting submerged or wet.

DEVIN wrote:

SandDragon wrote:

GioZ00 wrote:

The only real problems I always see at foxhole is the lack of people attending at times, and the thick brush in the areas surrounding the "pine forest", particularly to the west of it. PMC is a good field, the only problems with it are the massive abundance of logs and obstacles on the floor that make swift movement into a parkour rally, and the lack of structures around the area, but that can be remedied witht he proper effort by PMC and its members.

As for the camping at foxhole, it does happen at times, but usually there is a flank. Not always, but usually. I didn't see that much camping at PMC, but at least one more path for one of the areas overlooking the pond would be nice to encourage movement (some people that went last Saturday know what I'm talking about)

There are huge chunks of land at PMC field that are just really unsuitable or unusable for airsoft action...The pond is one particular item that can actually pose a nasty muddy barrier say if ya were to suddenly fall into it or accidentally find it due to a lot of rain.

While trail blazing in some areas I found myself following my group through a swamp. There are so many logs also scattered over the forest floor so It really forces a player to slow down.

Fox hole would be reliably dry and is good for those who like to crawl around but not get submerged or wet like in PMC field........... Oh Shit ! -I found another wet area when I dived into those bushes! - Friends answer back:- You look like you really shit yourself!

Besides that, I don't really want to track mud after a game back into my car!

Only a retard would fall into it.The bridge looks crapy but is sturdy and wide enouph.And why would anyone be playing in heavy rain?And there were only a few bit of mud there i crawled around a lot at pmc and never came close to getting submerged or wet.

thats not a valid point devin.....theyre called accidents, and they happen. god forbid you do fall into that youre not gonna be a happy person.

like i said before, pmc has alot of potential.....but in the mean time i feel alot safer at foxhole...

[quote="DEVIN"]

SandDragon wrote:

GioZ00 wrote:

Only a retard would fall into it.The bridge looks crappy but is sturdy and wide enough.And why would anyone be playing in heavy rain?And there were only a few bit of mud there i crawled around a lot at pmc and never came close to getting submerged or wet.

What I meant was after it had been raining hard, surly the water level would have risen... The Creeping water would have spilled off into other locations and standing grass would be underwater, You wouldn't know where the pond starts or ends it until it was too late!

Right now you are playing on a good day there but trust me those are exactly special hazard zones...The type of low wetlands that get a heavy impact and change depending on the seasons.... any one seen the dried up pond? it will get very bad in Mosquito season!

Also about RETARDS: PMC field will make you look like one no matter how smart you be, sooner or later you will trip up to one of its natural hazards and that is normal if you play there.

SANDDRAGON STOP BEING A CUNT LOL JK JK

EAGLE wrote:

SANDDRAGON STOP BEING A CUNT LOL JK JK

Gonna find my GPS and rename that last location..."THE RETARD"...Maybe I was too forgiving!

EAGLE!

(Not referring to PMC field location)

im just fucking with u sandman

WE WILL CONTINUE TO PLAY IN BOTH PLACES.... SAT PMC -SUNDAY FOXHOLE.....

BOTH PLACES ARE FINE .... I LIKE THEM BOTH.....

THEY BOTH HAVE PROS AND CONS WHO CARES.. JUST PLAY AND HAVE FUN...

SandDragon wrote:

EAGLE wrote:

SANDDRAGON STOP BEING A CUNT LOL JK JK

Gonna find my GPS and rename that last location..."THE RETARD"...Maybe I was too forgiving!

EAGLE!

(Not referring to PMC field location)

SandDragon your new name will be SandDildo

I took the time to measure the fields.

According to Google earth, I used the measuring tool to calculate land lot sizes.

Here are some factual land measurements of places that are either in use or have been shut down but its nice to know what place was fucking huge!

PMC Field:
662.47 feet long 320.13 feet wide- land access is limited due to a pond which can expand depending on the seasons. located in Hialeah- watch out for snipers!



FoxHole:
959.06 feet long and 327.74 feet wide- some areas are hard to access but still in game!- The field lot is surrounded by an unused public road....Lots of tires dumped here and have been recycled into some decent bases and pill boxes. Located in a secret unused area in Homestead.



HO CHI MINH TRAIL:
613.38 feet long and 556.25 feet wide... not all the land was usable for easy access!- Dense jungle and trails.-closed.Located by Homestead airforce base.



THE SILO- INSANE ASYLUM:
830.76 feet long and 564.65 feet wide, has a T shaped building that is 274.02 feet long and 150 feet wide with many rooms. also sports a 771.97 foot road.- now Permanently closed. Located off Chrome avenue near the Indian Casino



CQB building by the air-force base:
1,759.87 foot long field and 900.14 feet wide before construction took half of it off, reduced width to 329.41 feet!
has 2 CQB building, the 2 story one being 162 feet long, area had a HELIPAD and many untapped resourses for scenarios before it was closed.


Extreme Rage Paint ball field:
298.38 feet long and 332.53 feet wide in its airsoft zoned duo fields.- Saturday nights only! Extreme Rage Paintball Park (954) 986-9089
Located
6401 Sheridan St, Hollywood, FL 33024 Get directions Cross Streets: Near the intersection of Sheridan St and NW 64th Ave


RINKER FOREST:
422 feet x 500 feet of known battle space.
The whole forest is actually 4,438.29 feet long and 1,753.59 feet wide!
If you wage a war here, bring a compass and try not to get lost!... watch out for paint ballers!... Located of 8th street and 137th ave intersection in the forest.

GOOD JOB ON THE INTEL SANDDILDO

Hello Again guys,

I am not going to add more to the already long reading sessions of this post jejeje, we just want to thank you for your comments, all pro's and cons are good for us as we like to hear everyones comments to improve and grow as a team in any way possible.

Our team will be working on field improvements this saturday morning and we will love to have you there after 12pm that day for more action packed games.

We also want to thank all the invitations that we have recieved in the last weeks, I will make sure that our team go to check other fields as soon as possible and we will post here and in our facebook page the location where we will be playing every week so anyone can join us if you want.

Play for fun, enjoy the sport encourage a good and organized competition and keep working for a better and Unified SF Airsoft community.

See you in the battlefield.

Best Regards.

DOC.
Deadly Operations Commander
PMC Airsoft Team
Miami Dade DIvision
Working to elevate this sport to the next level

PD: SandD, could you please send me the google earth location of all those fields so we can make a schedule and go check them soon? thanks in advance and again Thanks for the flag you gave us last Saturday buddy.

DOC wrote:

Hello Again guys,

I am not going to add more to the already long reading sessions of this post jejeje, we just want to thank you for your comments, all pro's and cons are good for us as we like to hear everyones comments to improve and grow as a team in any way possible.

Our team will be working on field improvements this saturday morning and we will love to have you there after 12pm that day for more action packed games.

We also want to thank all the invitations that we have recieved in the last weeks, I will make sure that our team go to check other fields as soon as possible and we will post here and in our facebook page the location where we will be playing every week so anyone can join us if you want.

Play for fun, enjoy the sport encourage a good and organized competition and keep working for a better and Unified SF Airsoft community.

See you in the battlefield.

Best Regards.

DOC.
Deadly Operations Commander
PMC Airsoft Team
Miami Dade DIvision
Working to elevate this sport to the next level

PD: SandD, could you please send me the google earth location of all those fields so we can make a schedule and go check them soon? thanks in advance and again Thanks for the flag you gave us last Saturday buddy.

Updated the Last post so now they all have pictures next to the descriptions... I PM you the Fox hole location but other places posted May be listed as permanently closed and can no longer be accessed.

well guys... i was thinking... the poll is being won by pmc so far... why dont we all decide to go tomorrow again? that way more people can go and check it out and decide... what do u say?

Sion wrote:

well guys... i was thinking... the poll is being won by pmc so far... why dont we all decide to go tomorrow again? that way more people can go and check it out and decide... what do u say?

im going to foxhole.
theres a good turnout tomorrow